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List Your Prices (THE RIGHT WAY) (Calling All Photographers.) (Hedgehogs Welcome, Too.)

this entry has 66 Comments/ in How to Get More Clients + Rock Your Small Biz / by Ash

 

As an entrepreneur, sometimes you fall flat on your face.

Figuratively–and, apparently, literally–namely when you’re traveling in the South of Chile pretending to be in better shape than you actually are while attempting to jump over pathetically small streams that you really should be able to fucking clear, but somehow, don’t, and manage to fall flat on your face, ripping your pants, embedding annoyingly small rocks in your hands, and making a goddamn fool of yourself.

It happens.

Behold.

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Thank you, Kyle Hepp, for capturing this hilariously embarrassing moment.

Once I (barely) made it over the stream, Kyle did the smart thing, and simply threw off her shoes, rolled up her pants and crossed like a civilized human being.

And then the following Hallmark moment of a photo was taken. Excuse the obnoxiously shaggy hairdo.

 

 

 

As I mentioned in my last couple of posts, we’ve been traveling in the south of Chile. Kyle and her husband were suppose to leave days ago, but thanks to some unexpected volcanic ash hanging around in the air (?!?!), all of the flights back to Santiago, the capital, have been canceled. For days. 

So, we’ve been here in Puerto Montt, hanging out in our hotel lounge overlooking the ocean, working away on our Macbooks. We may or may not have ordered several bottles of champagne as well. (The lady knows which room to charge it to by memory, by now.)

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Yesterday, once we had finished up some projects, Kyle started talking to me about her photography business–she’s an international wedding photographer, and one of the finest, if I do say so myself.

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A badass kylehepp.com wedding shot

 

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Her dilemma: She feels she might be losing business because many brides-to-be are claiming that she’s too expensive.

So we did some chatting, and some investigating, and some digging, and some champagne sipping, and in the end, my conclusion was this:  The reason isn’t necessarily because she’s too expensive.

The reason is because price is really the only thing that soon-to-be brides understand how to use as a point of comparison. And so that’s what they’re using to compare. And when that happens, Kyle loses. Because she is more expensive.

But…what isn’t immediately obvious is that she’s more expensive with good reason.

And it’s that good reason that needs to be more effectively communicated, in order to give brides a more meaningful point of comparision–one that they can clearly understand and one that will be an obvious benefit to them. 

When I said that to Kyle, her response was: Yeah, but, doesn’t the quality of photos make it immediately obvious?

And my response back to her was:  Not necessarily, my peach.

Here’s why:

If I’m a bride looking for a photographer, I’m probably not a trained photographer (or I’d have shitloads of photographer friends and idols that I’d call on without so much as thinking twice.)

As such, I’m probably going to regard photographers as virtually the same: A photographer is a photographer is a photographer. Just like you might be inclined to feel like a zoo keeper is a zoo keeper.

Therefore, as soon as I land on her site, I’m going to go straight to the one menu that I see glaring at me–pricing/information. Because that’s information I care about at this point.

 

 

At this point, I don’t care about some blog.

I don’t care about Kyle (yet), I don’t care about raves, or the print of the month.

I might care about wedding photography enough to click, but I bet that before I click on that, I’m clicking on “pricing/information” first. Because I don’t want to get my hopes up. And if she’s not within my anticipated price range, I don’t want to even see the photos, because that will make me feel like a poor ass loser whose wedding is going to suck. And I don’t want to feel like a poor ass loser whose wedding is going to suck.

And when I do that, I see that, in terms of price, Kyle is pretty fucking expensive. And I’m like…shit. Movinngggggg onnnnnnnnn to the next photographer.

And that’s it.

She just lost me as a lead.

However…had I first understood why, exactly, Kyle is the best damn wedding photographer around, and then saw the pictures, and then fell in love with her and her style, and then envisioned myself in the photographs, and *then* was introduced to the price, well, then…I might be willing to do what it takes to have her as my wedding photographer regardless. Because realistically, my anticipated price range is just that: Anticipated. Not set in stone.

So there’s wiggle room. Most of the time, there’s wiggle room. And most of the time when people tell you they don’t have the money, they’re lying–they just don’t think it’s worth the money. 

Your job is to show them that it is.

And once you do that, if you can make it a no brainer, you’ve got yourself a win.

Once Kyle makes it a no brainer, she’s got herself a bride. Because at that point, they don’t want just any photographer. They want *this* photographer. They want her.

And that’s the goal of any business owner–make it a no brainer for your prospects. However the hell you have to.

So what’s my point?

A website shouldn’t be just a website. A website should be a carefully and thoughtfully designed interactive sales piece that *works* for you by guiding your prospects through the steps that you want them to take first, second, third, and so on.

Most people don’t think about the steps they want people to take. They just slap up what they think are the necessary menu options, and then sit around twiddling their thumbs.

And here’s the thing: If you don’t know what exact steps you want people to take, you can’t use your website to encourage those people to take those steps.

So instead, they do shit backwards, like visit your pricing and information first.

It’d be like a realtor who shoves a piece of paper in your face with the price of a million dollar home, without showing you the home first…and still hoping for a sale.

But, I still have to include pricing information, right?

Yeah, you should. Those shady bastards that get all secretive about their fees and make you guess are just that: shady bastards. They probably have unsightly chin hair, too.

You should never make a prospect guess or do the work–again, make it a no brainer. Studies show that when there’s no price listed, the majority of people click away, assuming that if they aren’t showing the prices, then they’re mad expensive. And you don’t want that, either.

So in Kyle’s case, I’d do three things:

1. Develop a landing page for her site that has a badass introduction paragraph speaking right to her ideal bride–something that will make that bride say Yeah baby, giddyup, I love this girl and I haven’t even seen her photos yet. Alternatively, she could add a body of text above her blog that accomplishes the same thing. Something that attracts attention.

2. Encourage new visitors to view Kyle Hepp’s most popular hits (or something to that effect) by including a big, bold link right below the paragraph, so new visitors feel like she’s talking right to them, and as a result, they do what she says. Then she’s guiding them to view her pictures first, before they jump to price. Curiosity killed the cat. If I’m a pink-haired clown, and I land on a website that happens to have a link that says, “If you’re a pink haired clown, click here,” I’m not going to be able to resist. Human nature. You better believe I’m clicking on that first.

3. On the actual pricing/information page itself, I’d consider including more compelling copy and/or photographs as an introduction..and saying whatever it is that I think will help them fall in love with me (and make it a no brainer), and then include the pricing info at the bottom. Or better yet, include pricing info as a link to a pdf document so they can’t just scroll down the page and see the price without paying attention to what you want them to. Cachaow! *cracks whip*

 

Boo-yah

If you just got to the end and didn’t read the middle, SUCK IT UP and scroll your ass back up.

If you did read the middle, thank you.

And if you have no idea what I’m talking about, but still like me anyway, high five.

Last but not least, if you’re interested in joining us for our 2012 Costa Rica Beach + Biz retreat, I’m hoping to publish details this weekend–with a sassy new website and all. Lookout, world. We’re taking this show on the road.

I promise not to attempt to jump over any more streams.

Unless there’s a hot guy on the other side, in which case, all bets are off.

 

 

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  • http://linzlovesyou.com/ Lindsay Goldner

    Alriiiight lookie at me being 10 months late to comment on the post but WHATEVA i just happened to be procrastinating and read it. Here’s my dilemma. As a designer, I’ve put “prices start at” for various packages before (and was considering doing it for my redesign which should be launching this week.) The big fatty problem I’ve run into with that is that sometimes, especially for web work, is that the packages don’t spell out super specifics like “5 page website” or “3 logo revisions” but by the time I DO tell clients that once they’ve inquired about hiring me, they’ve already got that certain number stuck in their head. It’s like the “prices start at” phrase disappears and it’s only the $XXX that they remember, if that makes sense.

    Other than feeling like an asshole and reminding them “hey, that’s just the starting point, your price point is going to be a lot higher because of x,y,z,” is there really any other way to do it? ESPECIALLY in the design field, I feel like so.damn.many (aka most) designers, unless they’re on etsy, are secretive about their prices. Like… 8 or 9 times out of 10, they don’t list their prices, so it’s hard to even price competitively! /rant

    Thoughts on not being a secretive/shady jerk versus a jerk down the line? (Who also apparently sends crazypants emails, haha.)

  • debscorner

    I took your advice and added prices and a little slide show to my pricing list…we’ll see what happens! Thanks for the awesome article! 

    Deb

  • http://www.livecollarfree.com/ James Schipper

    OMG, I don’t think I saw this before. I am laughing my sweet ass off right now.

    “And she absolutely NAILS the landing, Joan!”

    • TMFproject

      LOL! Oh yes. We had a great time with this animated gif.

  • http://www.lifeasanexperiment.com James D. Burrell II

    I prefer the chest bump to the high five, but given your propensity for tumbling, we can stick with the five finger mainstay. Suffice it to say that I couldn’t have read this at a more opportune time as I am overhauling one of my company’s websites and developing one for another. What you’re telling me is that I need to wine and dine her before making my move. Get her drunk and captivated by my awesomeness. Then seal the deal. Got it. I think that was a metaphor. But it is Wednesday night… ah, who am I kidding, I never talk to girls. That was definitely a metaphor. Hasta.

    • TMFproject

       You talk to me. I’m a girl.

      Secondly, I like the comparison to wining and dining first. I’m totally stealing it, Burrell!

  • http://www.irememberforever.com/ Heather

    This article not only moved me to write a set of killer new pricing/info pages for my photography blog, I got carried away and totally re-vamped my site design from scratch. A great side effect of the info you give is that as you create these more intimate pages, you start to be able to better define who you are to yourself! I now adore my “new” blog, and I resolve to continually go back and look through my pages to see if I can better anything. I figure, it doesn’t have to be perfect… it just has to keep getting better. :)

    If you’re curious, you can check out my site here: http://www.irememberforever.com… I would welcome any thoughts you have on it and my new pricing, about, and welcome pages. :)

    Looking forward to reading a lot more from you in the future!! Thanks again!

    • Anonymous

      Right on! You *do* have to undergo a significant amount of introspection in order to best position yourself – 100%. 

      Welcome to our crazy little corner of the internet, Heather!

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  • http://camelsandchocolate.com CamelsAndChocolate

    As a long-time (print) travel writer working in this world of career
    people-turned-travel-bloggers with no journalism background who are
    willing to sell out (read: work for free or close to nothing), I’ve
    experienced similar: Editors think they can lower their rates and get
    the same quality writing. (News flash: They can’t.) So I’ve had to do
    something I never thought I’d do a decade ago and turn down assignments
    because the pay is too low and simply not worth my time. And funny enough, that’s actually paid off in the long run.

    But regarding actual wedding photography, I actually went with the most
    expensive of the three photogs I was interviewing for my wedding simply
    because I knew I was paying for the quality of work I’d receive and,
    personally, I wanted the biggest percentage of my budget go to
    photography as that was the facet of the whole event that was most
    important to me. I still think the right clientele, the people Kyle
    wants to be shooting, are going to be the people who come to her because
    she values herself and they know they’re paying for the high quality of
    content they’ll receive in turn.

  • http://camelsandchocolate.com CamelsAndChocolate

    As a long-time (print) travel writer working in this world of career people-turned-travel-bloggers with no journalism background who are willing to sell out (read: work for free or close to nothing), I’ve experienced similar: Editors think they can lower their rates and get the same quality writing. (News flash: They can’t.) So I’ve had to do something I never thought I’d do a decade ago and turn down assignments because the pay is too low and simply not worth my time. And funny enough, that’s actually paid off in the long run.

    But regarding actual wedding photography, I actually went with the most expensive of the three photogs I was interviewing for my wedding simply because I knew I was paying for the quality of work I’d receive and, personally, I wanted the biggest percentage of my budget go to photography as that was the facet of the whole event that was most important to me. I still think the right clientele, the people Kyle wants to be shooting, are going to be the people who come to her because she values herself and they know they’re paying for the high quality of content they’ll receive in turn.

  • http://www.nuwomb.com Scott Webb

    You’re my new best friend. In love with all of this information and advice!

    • Anonymous

      I usually require my best friends to fly with me to random places in the world for happy hour – you in? :)  

      • http://www.nuwomb.com Scott Webb

        You tease me! But yes, I’m in!

  • Steve G.

    I didn’t read the middle and only read the steps. Turns out the middle is unimportant. Too many words. Learn to write more concise. booyah middle finger to the middle

    • Anonymous

      ha ha. Clearly this is your first time here.

  • http://twitter.com/russianbox lloyd

    Why have you put this image http://www.themiddlefingerproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Ash-and-Kyle.jpg on this page without scaling it down to fit?

    how can i take advice off anyone who would do this?

    • Anonymous

      I actually did it purely to torture you. Obviously.

  • http://twitter.com/jamesdrakefilms James Drake

    Along with your post, most of which I agree with, it’s also worth taking note that everyone is a photographer now. In their own eyes anyway. And in their own right, they are. Each of us take in hundreds of images daily, hourly, etc, enough to develop our photographic eyes. Some take the call seriously… Many brides have a chorus of friends that own a t3i and kit lens, and have taken a few afternoons to shoot sunsets at their local photography point. The market is changing fast and the demand for mid to low grade work has grown…but not as fast as the sheer number of DSLR cameras sold. 50 million EOS just recently. 

    Lots of people, lots of talent, what’s a ‘tog to do?

    Win awards. And tons of them. :)

    • Anonymous

      Social proof, when presented effectively, does wonders. Indeed.

  • Kaouthia

    So, what is it you have against beards? ;)

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  • http://blog.sailorscorpio.com Meredith

    So basically, I need to go — right now — and add something about compound predicates and Oxford commas before they even read down to the sliding scale tutoring fees. As for my consulting prices, I don’t even have them listed, stating more that I’d prefer they contact me with project information and working out a price then. Is that deterring clients more than actually listing prices? You definitely gave me a lot to think about in terms of why business isn’t booming.

    • Anonymous

      That might not be the only reason – I’d say that English tutors are far less common than photographers when you’re searching one out, so there probably isn’t a huge point of comparison. 

      • http://www.untitledminimalism.com Robert Wall

        Speaking from my experience helping a friend get a tutoring business going, there are a surprising number of college students (and former college students who happen to be unemployed) who hang out shingles as tutors.

        The problem, of course, is that tutoring is a business that doesn’t just require that you be good at the subject matter – it requires that you be good at teaching. And not all college students are. That’s the real point of differentiation, IMHO.

        But if you’re a tutor, also give a long hard thought to what your clients think they’re buying. As tempting as it is to think they’re concerned about actually learning the material thoroughly, I would respectfully submit that most people that hire a tutor are more likely to be looking at getting a particular grade in a class.

        If that’s the case, then a key (maybe even the primary) sales point is that your students do well in their classes. Proof in the form of testimonials is useful; former students that a prospective customer could call with questions would be even more useful.

        While you’re talking about student success, talk about the ways in which you help them learn and retain the information. Ideally tie the two together.

        Show that you have a history of success in helping students, and show them that you can develop a plan to give them the same success.

        You can always talk about Oxford commas and compound predicates if you want, but my hunch is that’s not on your customer’s “looking for” checklist. FWIW I’m pretty good with English, and I had to look up what an Oxford comma is.

        Just my $0.05 (two cents, plus a very generous tip).

        • http://blog.sailorscorpio.com Meredith

          Okay, that’s pretty helpful in terms of my tutoring portion of my business. I’m not entirely sure why I HADN’T thought of putting a testimonials page up in the first place. Mind if I pick your brain with regards to the writing, editing, and consulting portions of my business? Besides a portfolio of work? While I seem to have little competition, I still want to stand out. I want people to stop, realize what I have to offer is amazing, and hire me.

  • http://www.Juliettephotography.com Juliette

         I’m a fashion photographer and the other day I was speaking to a potential business partner who asked me a very similar question, “why would a designer want to pay you thousands of dollars for photography when they can send their kid out to do it with their iphone?”
        I think this is an issue a lot of photographers, in all fields (look at CNN), are really having trouble with.  What I told him was that the designer would eventually reach a point, if their business grows, when they discover that bad or mediocre photography is costing them a lot more than I would.  I kind of see my job as creating a dream that the client’s customers want to buy into–a badly lit dream out in the alley just isn’t that enticing :)
         I’m guessing that (at least in fashion photography) the quality and prevalence of decent digital cameras is going to really change the face of photography and that the mid-range photographers (in terms of talent and price) will find themselves in trouble… echoing the disappearing middle class in general?
        I think that the beginner/hobbyist photographers, who charge little or nothing, will end up with the market segment who is looking for a bargain and the high end/most talented photographers will get the market who  cares about great images more than price.  The “bargain shoppers” will likely not see or value the difference in quality between the OK and the good photographer’s work and the “quality shoppers” will prefer to pay more for amazing images instead of moderately for good ones.
        My take away from this is to make sure I’m producing amazing work and positioning myself at the top of the market ;-)  and after reading this amazing article I’m going to have to make sure that’s clear at my site.

    • Anonymous

      What you said here—->  ”…bad or mediocre photography is costing them a lot more than I would…” is something that every service provider needs to understand about their services, and in turn, help prospects understand that, too. A) It’s true, and B) It’s a great way to position the cost of your services in a positive light. 

  • http://www.MyBeautifulAdventures.com/ Andi Perullo

    PS God I love that pic of you 2!!!!!!!!!!!

    • http://linzlovesyou.com/ Lindsay Goldner

      andi! 10 months later I’m reading this post and here you are! weird how the universe works.. miss you lady <3

  • http://www.MyBeautifulAdventures.com/ Andi Perullo

    Kyle photographed my wedding and she was worth three times as much as I paid her!  I have a ton of wedding photographer friends now and her prices are actually the same or less than their prices.  Having said that, I agree with your points and I’m curious to see if Kyle implements any of them.  I think all a potential client has to do though is take a look at just one of her blog post’s and then they’ll be hooked instantly!!!

    • Anonymous

      Indeed!

      We played a lot yesterday in our hotel before leaving. ;)  

  • http://www.shaneketterman.com Shane Ketterman

    short poem and then a good point:

    Ash Ash don’t jump over streams
    Unless it’s to tackle the guy of your dreams
    And speaking of dreams
    That’s what you sell
    wishes and needs are just pure hell
    the website can rock and be full of glory
    but I only click on buy when i feel the story
     
    -sjk

    And on that poetic note, I had an epiphany of a different kind today which ties into your theory on pricing….so I’m looking to get a new website made and I’m on a budget (always the story, right?).  Any who….I have samples of what I like and little images and stuff.  And so I reach out to a few web people and I think to myself….I don’t know how much they charge but what would make me pay more? I’ll tell you what would make me pay more….

    suppose the web person sees my samples and takes an extra little time to do a really quick mockup of a homepage or something…suppose they do this in photoshop or something and literally blow my mind with just an image of what they can do for “ME” and my ideas…..

    Now if I see this….and love it…I guarantee you I will WANT IT NOW.  And that goes to the point….if you show me what you can do by taking my vision and giving me a small sip of the koolaid, I will want the whole glass….
    :)

    • http://www.untitledminimalism.com Robert Wall

      Shane, the idea you’re referring to runs along the lines of what designers call “spec work”. Basically spec work is work you do for a client without being paid, in the hopes of getting a job. Mock-ups qualify. Sitting down and giving the customer your thoughts on how you’d re-work their current copy/design/whatever seems to quality.

      There’s a relatively large contingent of designers that are positively militant about not touching anything that even remotely looks like spec work (see http://www.winwithoutpitching.com/manifesto if you’re interested). 

      I (being a designer myself) can see their point of view, and I agree to a point. The unfortunate reality is that a number of people will ask somebody for a mock-up, and then take the mock-up to a kid down the street to see if he can slice the image into a decent-looking web site.

      That being said, I’m more in your camp.

      I figure if somebody was nice enough to call me and consider me for a job, I’ll give them thirty minutes to an hour of in-person time as a freebie. I don’t normally do full-blown mockups, but if they came to me with a nice set of “I like this, I like that, I don’t like this”, etc. with URLs (you’d be amazed how few people are that organized!) I might be inclined to toss something together as a starting point.

      The risk of losing a little bit of time is relatively minimal, IMHO, compared to the risk of losing a potentially good client.

      Just my $0.03 (two cents, adjusted for inflation)

      • http://www.shaneketterman.com Shane Ketterman

        Absolutely Robert. I agree that there is risk of losing time and effort most definitely. I was thinking of a quick photoshop image or something they put together with minimal time to show me “what’s possible” and then when I see it, it’s nearly too tempting too not want it. Kind of like when a realtor takes you to a home and has it all decorated. You can see yourself there….you get attached on a personal level.

        But totally agree you risk getting burned…..that’s unfortunate that it happens and would make me wanna send that person a rabid squirrel.

        • http://www.untitledminimalism.com Robert Wall

          Now *there’s* a business model. Just go register some domain like sendasquirrel.com (note: oddly enough, that actual domain is taken. Weird people out there!), work out some logistics, and you’re on your way. You’d be able to go viral with the “no spec work” people. :D

          By the way Shane, if you’d like me to take a quick look at your web project I’d be happy to give you the aforementioned free half hour to an hour of time. You can reach me through my blog’s contact form.

          • Anonymous

            I once had a designer put together “visual language” based on what I had told her…which showed me that she understood and was engaged…without having her to do a bunch of spec work. Here’s what she originally came up with. (Point being: It was effective.)

            Ash is a fierce dichotomy. She’s a plethora of mutually-exclusive traits (or, rather, what’s perceived as mutually exclusive by most) at the same time. She wears heels and chugs beer like a frat boy. She’s nerdy but parties like a boss. She reads gossip magazines in binges but hates the false bitches of Hollywood. With Ash, there is no grey area. Therefore, there can be no grey on her site. She’s bold, but understated. Sophisticated, well-mannered, and yet she runs a site called: The Middle Finger Project. She’s girly and hates the colour pink; she describes herself as the farthest thing from a tomboy. Her biznez and brand – The Middle Finger Project – is less outwardly rebellious and more deep-thinking and questioning. In real life, Ash is more likely to give it to you straight than all-out flip you off. She’s smart and savvy but swears like a sailor. TMF is about questioning to status quo and carving out niches, in spite of the odds of failure. Because really? What’s life without a little risk. Goals of the design: to refine the space that Ash shows off to her clients and the slew of microevangelists that hang on her every word. These are pissed off corporate misfits. They’re looking for someone to tell them, “Fuck the suits. Do your own thing.” And that’s what Ash does. At the same time, her space needs to attract clients – high paying ones – so it needs to be thoughtfully arranged and sophisticated so that her talent seriously and hire her to make shit happen. Keywords: bold, unique, contradictory, sophisticated, modern Bold: trendy fashion, Alexander McQueen, Danielle LaPorte, big prints, speaking your mind and not giving a shit about what anyone else thinksUnique: oleanders in milk, doing things just because you wanna, wearing heels and chugging beer (rock on), sunsets/sunrises, personalities, mountains, the oceanContradictory: marketing through loving and connecting, bold prints in pastel colours, flowers that bloom at night, partying all night and acing your exam the next daySophisticated: Donna Karan, cashmere sweaters, heels, martinis, greige, Paris, Milan, Vogue, Vanity Fair, West ElmModern: contemporary architecture, Herman Miller, Knoll, Seattle Public Library, Apple (Mac) When I think of how these keywords work together visually… Bold: enormous black typography, eye-catching graphics, red, minimalistUnique: visual feast without losing hierarchy, breaking trends and doing something entirely different, fuck the damn foldContradictory: mix and match geometric shapes in positive and negative space; excellent use of negative space in the logoSophisticated: soft grunge, serifs, black and white, leather textures, fluid layoutModern: white, clean lines, grid layout, sans-serif, black and white Which leads me to what we need to include in our range of design elements:·         A sparing use of colour (probably will stick to red)·         Black and white as the backdrop·         No grey as grey dilutes the brand·         Proficient use of white space·         Logo type needs to create interesting shapes in the negative space (I’ll have to play with this a bit)·         Texture – if there is any – needs to be either by subtle (background texture should be soft grunge) or unapologetic (perhaps texture in the logo?)·         Bold sans-serif paired with sophisticated serifs to create contrast between the two sides of the brand: the pissed off corporate misfit and the corporate that need to hire Ash based on her mad skills in marketing and copywriting

          • http://www.untitledminimalism.com Robert Wall

            I like it! It’s like a design without a design.

  • http://www.untitledminimalism.com Robert Wall

    “Volcanic Ash” – if you ever come up with a superhero alter-ego, that would be a fantastic name. :D

    • Anonymous

      You win the comment of the day award! LOL! HIlarious. It will also double as my future sumo wrestler name. Why not?

  • Loren Scott

    Fuckin’ Awesome Blog post!  Oh, shit!  I just said “fuck”!  ;)   But, seriously folks… you nailed it.  We’re in the same boat — being that we’re on the high end of the price range in our area.  Looks like we’ve got some tweaking of the web site to do.  Thank you!

    • Anonymous

      Rock on, Loren! Fuck! ;)  

      Feel free to share anytime!

  • Gayle

    Love the video.  You are ridiculous!!  Merry Christmas Pennsylvania girl!!  Hope it is a great one. 

    • Anonymous

      Thanks, Gayle! Merry Christmas to you, too! Wishing for some snow–even though it won’t happen since it’s summertime here. Ha.

  • http://website-in-a-weekend.net/ David Doolin

    How’s the surf down there?

    • Anonymous

      Pretty crappy, my friend! 

      No waves. Not in Puerto Varas/Puerto Montt/Frutillar, anyway!

  • http://smlacyart.com Sarah Marie Lacy

    My website as interactive sales piece – that is getting put on the fridge. I had so many light bulbs go off while reading this. I’m a painter, not a photographer, but same deal. I need to make buying a painting a no-brainer. And show people that I am reallllly quite fabulous, and very much worth the prices that I charge. Thank you!

    • Anonymous

      Excellent!

      I was just having this discussion with someone who was trying to sell prints on their website. And the conclusion we came to is that…when you tell me you sell prints, it doesn’t resonate with me at all. “Prints” doesn’t make me hot. I could care less about “prints.” But if you categorize the prints, and market them as something to the effect of, “Pieces of inspiration for aspiring travelers,” for example, then they automatically hold more meaning…and generate more immediate interest. And furthermore, we talked about offering framing as a definite option, because that’s another sales barrier – I might like your print, but I might click out of the page instead of purchasing because I don’t feel like going through the hassle of having to frame it myself. But if you make it easy for me – even if it’s more money – I’ll pay for the convenience. 

      I’m thinking the same might have some application toward paintings – just some food for thought based on our discussion! 

      Holla!

      • http://smlacyart.com Sarah Marie Lacy

        Yup, lots of food for thought here. Thank you!

        I really like the idea about framing – it can be such a finicky detail. Some people absolutely DO NOT WANT the art framed. They want the frame to match their decor, not the painting, so if the piece arrives framed, they get annoyed & replace it. (My gallery owner is always going on about this.)

        On the other hand, I’ve mailed paintings & the client didn’t realize it was already framed and they were pleasantly surprised and told me so.

        But if it was just an option – $600 unframed, send me an extra $200 and I’ll make it pretty for you – then that might solve the problem.

        Yummy.

  • http://www.letsradiate.com Michelle

    Oooh! Believe it or not, this topic just came up in one of my private FB course groups with a wedding videographer. Just sent her this + posted it in the group. And I’m taking notes for the relaunch of my project management services, too. 

    PS: At least you were wearing jeans and didn’t skin your knees too. Not that I know anything about embarrassing faceplants. 

    • Anonymous

      Met an amazing team of wedding videographers here in Chile the other day – http://www.chstudio.cl. Seriously – their videos will inspire the shit out of you whether you’re getting married or not. Love them.

      And yes. No skinned knees. ;)  

  • http://brettmaxwellphoto.com brett maxwell

    Great thoughts, now you’ve really got me questioning my “Info” page.  And yes, Kyle is worth every penny/peso she charges.

    • Anonymous

      I know I responded to this earlier, but it doesn’t seem to be here now. Rahr. But yes – yes she is!

  • http://twitter.com/kissmeawakeshop elizabeth guerrero

    My husband and I got married this summer and we ended up going with a photographer way more expensive than the average in our area. They were worth it, and we KNEW they were worth it from their website. The website drew us in because it really showcased their unique style, and by the time we inquired about prices, we were already in love (with the photographers–we’d been in love with each other for a while by that point, obviously). Point being, COMPLETELY agree!

    • Anonymous

      EXCELLENT! Thanks for helping to reinforce the point, Elizabeth. It’s funny, because Kyle is an international photographer and people from all over the world pay that much extra (the cost of her flight, etc.) just to have her there. And THAT’S saying something! I went with her to France a few months ago and it just blows my mind.

      And I saw your wedding photos – they were fantastic!

  • http://experiencingrevolution.com Tessa Zeng

    Yesss. Form IS content. The way you set things up is how they’re going to experience it. I once tried to explain this to a photography client, and it took a long time, haha. Ash why are you so eloquent? 

    And why do you look hot even when you’re falling on your face?
    :P love you!!!

    • Anonymous

      Ooo I love this concept, indeed. And I’d also add that it’s going to be a fluid thing that you should consistently be reevaluating and tweaking as your goals and business emphases change. Form IS content. The overall experience speaks volumes. Also speaks to importance of having a solid web design in place and not skimping in that area.

      Thanks, doll!

      And if I look hot while falling, it’s definitely because I fell so many times on my ass while learning how to rollerblade in the 6th grade. Clearly. ;)  

  • http://highfxmedia.com Kurt

    The most important personality trait in a partner or friend is the ability to laugh at oneself. If only I was younger…

    Love the video!

    • Anonymous

      Ha!

      I’m the queen of that, apparently. :)  

  • http://www.dennispikephoto.com Dennis Pike

    I hope you were not insinuating that a zoo keeper is just a zoo keeper… my wife is a zoo keeper… and an exceptional one at that

    • Anonymous

      I hope you’re kidding. I was making the opposite point.

      • http://www.dennispikephoto.com Dennis Pike

        I know… I was trying to be a smart ass

        • Anonymous

          HAHA oh Dennis, Welcome to our little crazy corner of the internet. I’m glad you were kidding. I was giving Kyle Hepp a hard time about her crowd. ;)  

          P.S. I actually wanted to be a zookeeper when I was young – mostly just so I could try and talk to the gorillas. :)  

      • wynterlantyrn

        I don’t think Dennis is kidding. Poor Dennis.

  • Doc Rona

    u hot shit
    thanks for posting the vid footage
    (footage pun ummm INTENDED)
    watch your step and keep having FUN
    this message above SO applies to my work as well
    so
    thanks
    again
    as
    always
    !!!
    xo
    dr rona

    • Anonymous

      I thought you guys would get a kick out of that! :)  

      XO Rona!

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