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Education & Wage Slavery: Hand In Hand?

Disclaimer: Keep an open mind on this post, or you’re going to get angry.  And frankly, I don’t want my house to get egged.   Love, Ashley

Education = Opportunity.  Or So We’re Taught To Believe.

Ed-u-ca-tion. Ah, the sound of the word alone evokes feelings of hope, prosperity, success and—what’s that?—money, you say?  Ah, yes.   And money.

We grow up believing that education can defeat all circumstance, transcend social classes, and pave a 24 carat, solid gold nugget path to upward mobility blissdom.  Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh! (No, that was not a scream, people, those were the angels harmonizing.  Clearly.)

And, isn’t that the case?

Don’t we go to school and get an education to learn, think independently, develop our interests and become all-around badasses?  Don’t we praise, worship and promote education as the be-all, end-all solution to the world’s worries?  Don’t we embark on philanthropic missions to spread the good word of education to those that don’t have access?  Doesn’t education equal opportunity?  Don’t I ask a lot of rhetorical questions?

We’re constantly talking about what education can do for me, you, your mom, his mom, his grandma, his grandma’s cousin in Bangalore, her seventeen cousins in the next town over and their sixty-seven children.  This one time, this guy I know went to school and next thing you know he’s a billionaire!  Hark, the wonders of education!  We practically have nation-wide orgasms over it.  Not that nation-wide orgasms are a bad thing.

Sure, there’s plenty that education can do for all of us. But in our flurry of excitement, we fail to recognize that tiny little detail called the law of reciprocity.  What, exactly, are we doing for education in return?  The answer: A hell of a lot more than we realize.

Education As A Biz-naz

Why do you suppose Obama is going out of his way to make education a priority? And I quote, from Obama’s website:

“Preparing our children to compete in the global economy is one of the most urgent challenges we face.”

Sounds noble enough, doesn’t it?  (Note: This is not a political statement for or against Obama.  Just an example.)  As much as we’d like to believe that those in power are petitioning for education because they’re good people, or because they’re looking out for our personal well-being (how sweet!), or because they want social equality, or maybe just so we don’t look like big, fumbling, sloppy idiots next to the Chinese–it’s a happy little love story, but it isn’t the real reason.  The real reason is tucked nicely right into Obama’s quote up there.  See it there?  Look closely.  See it now?  Economy.

Economy is a fun little word, especially right now. Our economy happens to be based on capitalism.  This means that goods, or capital, is traded for profit, and profit is the name of the game.  The term capital can encompass many things, but there’s one form of capital in particular that’s the most important form of all, and guess what?  That capital is YOU.

You probably think of yourself as far more than a mere factor of production (what? you mean to say that my attitudes and my beliefs and my ideas aren’t actually valued?) but human beings in a capitalist society are exactly that–human capital. (Worse, what really stings is that economists refer to human capital as a “fungible resource,” which basically means that you’re interchangeable.  Ouch.)  Basically, your knowledge contributes to your ability to perform labor, in order to produce economic value.  Therefore, more knowledge = more labor = more economic value.

And how do you get more knowledge?   Ed-u-ca-tion. (Cue angels.)

This is why education is promoted.  And I’m sure it comes as no surprise, the link between education and economic value.  We’ve always grasped that concept on on the surface, but the question is, do we understand what that means?  For example, what if it’s the case that the only education you’re receiving is that which contributes to your economic value?  Some might argue that it is.

We educate people to perform the functions that are needed, so that they can be productive members of society. You’ve heard that phrase before, right?  In this sense, within the education system we are essentially a bunch of giant pawns that are manipulated, shaped and formed into what is needed in order to produce, AKA, what is needed in order to make a profit.  We aren’t gaining knowledge for the sake of knowledge; we are gaining specific knowledge–that which is dictated by the elite, with their goals in mind, since they run the education system in the first place–in order to perform certain functions later in life.  We’re being prepared for the work force.  We’re being primed to produce.  We’re being used, in the deepest sense.  Kinda like a farm!  From this perspective, the economy doesn’t exist to support its people; its people exist to support the economy.  The term “wage slave” has never held more truth.

Imagine

Let’s put ourselves in an imaginary secondary school setting for a moment, shall we?  No gum allowed, or you’re going straight to the principal’s office.

Let’s say a school curriculum emphasizes mathematics over history.  (It isn’t too often you hear of AP History, do you?)  It’s highly probable that the students that attend that school will rank mathematics as more important than history.  In turn, those people are going to regard jobs that require specialized skills in mathematics as more important than those that require specialized skills in history.  Students are told that jobs in mathematics will mean greater economic opportunities, which may be partly true, but what society gets out of promoting mathematics through the education system is a greater supply of math geniuses.  A greater supply of math genius human capital.  And a greater supply of math genius human capital translates into a more competitive society.  And a more competitive society translates into a more profitable society.  And a more profitable society–you guessed it–translates into a better economy.  Was the connection clear there?

So let’s skip past all the wordy explanations and get down to it–basically, you’re busting your ass to learn math so someone at the top can get even richer.  It’s a hidden curriculum, if you will.  It’s a case of those in power manipulating schooling to serve their own agenda.  The opinions of the majority are formed mainly through education, and the government decides what’s taught in an educational setting.  Coincidence?  I think not.

The education system is the perfect way to transmit fundamental values necessary for capitalism to be successful–competition, individualism, consumerism–because it has access to children right from the beginning, and for a really, really (really) long time.  It’s socialization by education.  Education is a tool to wield power.  If you need more proof, think back to when schooling first became widespread, when Western nations tried to colonize indigenous peoples, providing them with moral guidance in an attempt to convert them to Western values and norms.  Why?  So Westerners could exploit them by extracting taxes and getting cheap labor, as well as encourage the spread of Western culture and language.  Doesn’t sound so much like an institution with your best interests in mind, does it?  It was about power and money then, and it’s about power and money now.

What The Hell Am I Saying All Of This For?

Well, the tagline of The Middle Finger Project is, “rejecting the status quo and rebelling against mediocrity.”  But, it’s pretty hard to reject the status quo when you’ve spent your whole life unconsciously perpetuating it.

In school, too often we are taught what to think, not how to think, and there’s a fundamental difference.  It’s crucial to acquire the latter if you want to do big things.  Critical thinking skills are lacking, and that’s why I blog–to encourage it.  And I’d make the argument that that’s why many of the bloggers in this niche blog.  Sometimes it makes people uncomfortable, but that’s the point.  By inspiring critical thought, the hope is to nudge the human race forward, if only just a little bit.  Critical thinking leads to action.  And if we ever want to shake up the status quo, we’re going to have to act.

Am I rebelling against capitalism?  No.  But I am calling for a more conscious awareness of how the world works around us–and how it affects us, in turn?  Yeah, man.  Am I rebelling against education?  No.  But am I calling for a broader base of knowledge within the education system?  Hell yeah, man.

I get capitalism, but here’s the thing:  I don’t like being someone else’s capital–I want to be my own. (Forget the angels–cue “Bad to the Bone.”)  So with that said, please don’t egg my house.  Or Obama’s.  But if you want to go to Bangalore and start a critical thinking revolution, you know where to find me.

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About the Author: Ashley Ambirge is the sarcastic, brash, hot-sauce-addicted founder of The Middle Finger Project, where she gives the evil eye to mediocrity, fervently questions societal assumptions, and aims to inspire readers to flip a cordial bird to the shoulds, and live how they want. Whiskey shots strictly optional.

  • missy
    Enjoyed your essay. Someone mentioned "unschooling" in a comment with a long youtube video. I just wanted to let you know that there are many families out there that are learning in freedom through unschooling. Google it or look up Sandra Dodd, her essays are good. Or anything by John Holt or Gatto who was mentioned.

    Children learn because it is their nature to do so. It works really well when they are allowed to learn what they want, when it becomes relevant to them. Adults do this all the time when they become interested in something, and so do children when they are allowed. It involves trusting the child which is the antithesis of what happens in school where it seems it is believed that without rules and memorizing and regurgitating for tests that children would never learn anything of their own accord.

    Glad to see some people outside of the homeschooling/unschooling life making the connections you are making about schools.
  • Tom W.
    Great post, Ashley. I discovered your blog only yesterday, for the first time, and look forward to diving in. Lots of fantastic ideas here.

    As for this post... yes, agree with your points. And if I can recommend John Taylor Gatto's book "Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling" as a resource, check it out. An NY teacher himself, Gatto discusses what he believes are the seven REAL lessons that a teacher teaches his/her students -- lessons that have nothing to do with whatever we think we go to school for.

    These seven lessons include Confusion, Class Position and Indifference. Definitely worth reading.

    Best wishes
    Tom
  • TMFproject
    @Tom
    Hey, Tom! Glad to see a new face!

    Thank you so much for the recommended reading--I've been meaning to do a follow-up education post once I got my hands on some more resources, so I will absolutely take your word for it. Appreciate it.

    Also--appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment & connect. Happy to have you.

    Have a great Tuesday!

    Ash
  • Thanks for another awesome post. I have been reading a lot recently about education and other systems (of course, every system is connected to every other system, as you pointed out), and I am thinking that the issue is not necessarily the systems in place per say, but rather, the overall values that underlie such systems.

    For example, capitalism in and of itself is not necessarily good or bad (markets have been around as long as people have been around), but having profit being the sole driving force behind capitalism only makes for a messed up system (as we're experiencing now).

    As for education, the goals are noble, but, as you pointed out, the underlying values hint at something more sinister. I'd submit checking this link out (http://www.ideaeconomy.net/ideas/future-educati...). Seth Godin's piece is fascinating enough, but the second video with Sir Ken Robinson piqued my interest even more. Schools were designed to create consumers. You won't see that on any report card, but it's true.

    The bottom line is that we are building a world upon the most base instincts of humans (greed, ego, competition, mine-mine-mine-ism) whereas the more generous instincts (compassion, co-operation, forgiveness, grace) are left to the Hallmark cards and network Christmas Specials. Human beings CAN be more and our world CAN be more humane, fun, and just; we just have to work at it a bit more because our forefathers decided that quantity trumps quality. I hope our generation can overcome such shallow and silly notions. Blogs like this are saying that we can. We just need to teach our children well. Case in point: my three year-old niece can now say her ABCs AND "stick it to the man". It's a start...

    Great post. Thanks for sharing.
  • Super excited to find your bad-ass self.

    Hells yeah woman--you're a superstar with some clean writing, a clear head and a super fresh perspective.

    thank you.
  • TMFproject
    Well that's awfully nice of you to say! Thanks for such flattering words.

    Welcome to the site, Hillary! Glad to have you!
  • nicolemariemn
    LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • TMFproject
    Yeahhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Thanks, girlfriend! Welcome to the site! :)
  • Cat
    Hi Ashley,
    I just came across your blog and I really love the thoughts you express and the way you express them. I am passionate about education. My father was a college professor and taught us to think critically and challenge authority(even though he was one). So even though I grew up with conventional education I feel that I got something extra in the way of critical thinking skills. I think there are teachers in the system that will teach children to think criticallly, but most will not. I work in the public school system as a tutor and substitute teacher. (I am also an artist) I see a lot and I am shocked at the condition of our schools. Not the physical condition, but the mental, emotional environment. Teachers now have to be counselors, social workers, behavioral therapists and more. The environment in the classroom is not conducive to any type of learning. Most of the time is spent keeping some kind of order in the classroom. Because of all the new policies about inclusion, most classrooms have kids with learning disorders, ADHD, behavioral disorders, autism, Down's syndrome, you name it. While some of these things are very real, some are labels that excuse kids with bad behavior and poor parenting. Teachers have very little recourse when it comes to removing disruptive kids from their classrooms, and even the ones who are not (such as the special ed kids), their time is consumed by the special attention they require. I am not saying inclusion is good or bad, I am simply stating that it appears to be an unworkable situation. I believe for the most part that parents have abdicated their responsibilities as parents and really have no clue what is going on in the schools. The system is unworkable and I believe is headed for collapse, which unfortunately may be the only way it can change. There are groups pushing for change, the voucher system, which has a lot of opposition, the charter school movement, the home school movement. I do not believe that pouring more money into schools will make any difference. I think our schools are fulll of fine teachers, so we do not need better teachers. We need less government control, management, interference. We need more freedom to run schools on an individual basis, more free rein for creative solutions. I think the voucher system and the charter school movement need to be encouraged and supported. I do not think the current administraion supports this, as it would involve less government control. Charter schools do offer many solutions,they broaden the knowledge base and operate more like private schools. They are typically smaller, which in my mind creates a better environment and community. There is more parental involvement.
    Cat
  • suekozlowski
    I can say for sure in the countries in Europe I have studied in, if you are from Europe it is free to study fulltime in a state university. So maybe America should make University a right for everybody not a privilege. Obam abolish third level fees
  • OK. A little blown away at the quality of the discussion going on here. Amazing and inspiring perspectives all around.

    Reading through everything here, it's clear that many people share my sentiments about education and just how badly broken it all is.

    But what I'd love to know is what people's thoughts are on practical, realistic ways we can help change course. Technology's giving us all sorts of opportunities to rethink how we teach and learn, but what can we do to start taking advantage of those opportunities now?

    The incredible links in Alex's comment get us pointed in the right direction. Now let's start building shit, shall we?
  • TMFproject
    @T-Money
    What up, Manhattan! Your point is well-received. It isn't enough to blog about it all day.

    That said, I'm really interested in open source education, like they've done at MIT. I mean, that's wild. Essentially, one has to question what purpose the physical school setting even serves anymore, especially in regards to higher ed. If you can listen to lectures via podcast, and have all of the information you'd ever need at your fingertips, does it serve us in many more ways than a lesson in social etiquette?

    On another note, the gentleman who commented above you--Adrian--is working on quite an interesting project right now that's designed to add real-world skills to the school curriculum; things like negotiating skills, people skills, etc. He's going ahead with his own ideas and working to implement them, which is just awesome.

    In sum, though, I think you hit the nail on the head with technology. That said, I imagine that no matter what types of technologies essentially render traditional schooling obsolete, it's still a matter of red tape. It's time someone got out a really sharp pair of scissors.....
  • Hi Ash,
    A bit of a newbie blogger and first visit to your site. Great post by the way.

    Whilst I think that we need certain fundamental skills (the 3 Rs etc) to help us along in life I agree that education has become too much of a process about grades and ticking of boxes and has lost sight of its original purpose.

    If we look at the origin of the word education, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, "education" is derived from its Latin root, "educare". Educare means "to rear or to bring up". Educare itself can be traced to the latin root words, "e" and "ducere". Together, "e-ducere" means to "pull out" or "to lead forth".

    Given that measure, I am pretty sure that our education system is not encouraging children and adults to "think" and "draw out" information from within.

    Perhaps, its time to go back to first principles.

    Adrian
  • TMFproject
    Really enjoyed reading this, Adrian. And welcome to the blogosphere! Checked our your site--you're an incredibly accomplished individual. As an economist, would love to hear your thoughts on the latest post titled How Societal Ideals Conflict With Societal Goals to get your thoughts. Also would love to hear more about possible plans to work with 1,000 students and teach them certain skill sets? Sounds like a really interesting project! Rock on! Thanks for stopping by.
  • Hey Ash,
    Thanks for your message. I'll take a look at the post you mentioned and post a comment and I'll email you about the education project :)

    Adrian
  • Education is a SCAM.

    Not the amorphous idea of education (which is actually "learning"), but education the noun as we have developed it. The idea is "Learn from us, and we'll make you money"- especially in higher education. However, you hear over and over that the system itself actually teaches you to NOT think for yourself, work for yourself, or do for yourself. Instead of just babbling on, I'm linking my favorite blog post from Perry Marshall:

    http://www.perrymarshall.com/gigantic-horrible-...

    Enjoy!
  • TMFproject
    LOVED THIS POST you linked for us. Thank you so much for that! Also, your distinction between the idea of education and education itself is well-received. Excellent way to put it. Taking note!
  • Wifey, your blog is going from strength to strength and that is simply because of one fact: You are awesome.
  • TMFproject
    No, YOU. *poke* *bashful face*
  • ellzrae
    I enjoyed that post. Education is brain-washing. It has its positives. (i don't care to go into that, everyone knows what they are about). The issue is education has taken off only in the last 3 generations or so. People before that didn't study, cause they could not afford to. They probably took a few years of education and then had to help out with the family business. Education was a kind of privilege of the rich until made mandatory(at least in my country). Somehow anything the rich do become some kind of status-enhancer. It was also an effective way to keep the great unwashed at bay. Things change but its still the same. How do a few rule many? noble birth. education. riches. politicial power, brute power.

    The issue is that now the great unwashed have access to education. They can climb up and clamber over the rich. So does everyone else. So is education still an effective status-enhancer? Make ur bets but I don't really think so anymore. So does seem u are spending a lot of money on tuition for a small advantage..:D

    ellzrae
  • TMFproject
    Excellent comment, Ellzrae. Interesting that you automatically make the assumption that education is a means of producing status, rather than actually educating. That was totally the point of this post. On the surface, it seems as if education is the actual goal....but in reality (whether intentional or not), it seems that a bigger goal is to sort the classes, and produce the types of workers we need. In this sense, "upward mobility" doesn't always exist, especially when we see things like high school guidance counselors "tracking" students and not letting them into a more challenging course because "they don't need it." What that really means is, "We want you to fill this role, and you need to take basic skills classes to do so...not lofty English classes that won't contribute to this goal. Forget your goals."
  • lenaroth
    Taking a college economics class is the best thing I've done recently. It gave me time to catch up on my blogs, get inspired to NEVER become a economist, and realize that I'm so done with formal education for[ever].. a while. I'm all for education, but the formalized higher education system in the US has become a debt-machine and over-saturated our society with expensive, useless degrees. (If not intrinsically useless, there's just too many to be used to their full potential.) Thanks for the post and the inspiration.
  • TMFproject
    Hey, as they say.....if you want to learn about something, go read 20 books on the topic. It's what you do in college, anyway...you'll know just as much but just won't have the proof.
  • lenaroth
    Liberal arts degrees (like mine) aren't proof of education. They're proof that you can put up with enough bullshit to get a slip of paper.
  • I agree with your point, but the problem with eliminating the education system or not placing an emphasis on science and math is you get a lot more right wing fundamentalists who think everything happens because God wills it and GOD HATES FAGUTS! Which I totally disagree with, and fear.
  • TMFproject
    HAHAHAHA. I definitely am pro-education.....just not pro-education that only focuses on a selective amount of materials that are backed by a hidden curriculum. :P This was quite possibly the funniest comment ever. And so true. GREAT POINT.
  • Oh also-- I'm in Australia now, and one of the things I admire most about their system is that any australian can go to a state college or university here and get a degree, and they don't have to pay off the money until they make enough money that they can afford it. Makes waaay more sense than the way the US handles things, with massive debt that will kick your ass no matter what your income is.
  • TMFproject
    No kidding! What a wonderful idea. Maybe because they aren't exploiting their citizens like we do. (That was harsh, wasn't it?)
  • Vinny
    I have a hard time with this topic as a whole for a number of reasons. I would say the primary reasons being one that i was the "model student", take notes spew out memorized information get good grades and so on, I am sure you get the idea and the second being that I currently am a high school business teacher, who sees many of the flaws in the current education system. The biggest issue is that the success of a school is based primarily on government issued tests. These tests are mainly math and English driven, with little to no emphasis on critical thinking or free thinking as i refer to it. I would argue to say that after finger painting and macaroni art in kindergarten there is little opportunity to be creative in many schools. Now I am not saying that this is true for all classrooms and all schools, a good teacher will find a way to deliver the material required and allow the students to think freely.

    The theory of human capital is sadly the product of the general education system as you pointed out in some ways. Success from a "grown up" standpoint is measured by your income and the material things you own and in order to earn more money and own more things the youthful students are told that more education will give them such rewards. This theory hits home with me, my original education choices and career path were purely money driven, what a huge mistake that was. But that's a whole story in itself, maybe I'll write about it one day. I believe what is lost is that the education does not always need to be classroom or university driven. The way I see it is the goal is to make yourself marketable in the area or field you wish to land in. For some people this means a big fancy law degree from Yale or it could mean a certificate from the county barber school or it could mean working your ass from the very lowest spot in an organization to the top. So while your argument that people are their own capital and somewhat pawns in this grand scheme I do not believe it is as manipulative as you may have unintentionally made it out to be. Something my father always said that has made more and more sense as I have gotten older is that there will always be a need for someone to push the broom. Now that is in no way a knock or disrespect towards any sanitation or custodial worker, the service they provide is of greater value than many people understand. But again someone would need to become marketable as I have said in that area.

    I am not even sure if this comment is even relevant now because I kind of forgot what point I was trying to make. Either way your points are valid, but I think they need a much more in-depth look and analysis. In the end the individual chooses their life path and takes the things away from education that they decide to take away. So in many ways I guess what I am trying to say is while the system is flawed it is not solely to blame, as in the end it really comes down to the individual and what they choose to do.

    Just think back to you high school senior class peers, each of you received the same education and from a classroom standpoint were given the same educational opportunities despite social status, gender, race, or any of those factors. Each of you had choices to make in school, while some students do find schooling easier and perform better the opportunities are still there. Now each individual went on from there to their chosen field, probably peppered with the usual teachers, accountants, law enforcement, medical field, general labor, and so on. That is a prime example of how the system does actually work, while it is flawed the purpose it serves is positive.

    Well I hope somewhere in that ramble there is at least a single point made.


    PS Ashley nyc was awesome - Kristen it was amazing meeting you. Lets do it again! Thailand sounds exciting LOL
  • TMFproject
    Ahhhh! I'm going nuts o
  • i agree completely! yet i'm more inclined to rebel! lol but its too late already graduated :-/. I think you'd really enjoy this talk on "unschooling" here> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwIyy1Fi-4Q I wrote about it in my blog. Feel free to check out the post! http://nawalatribe.blogspot.com/2010/01/interes...
    p.s. i love the whole concept of your blog
    peace!
  • TMFproject
    Thank you so much, Nawala! Resource much appreciated! I checked it out--looks to be about an hour long--so I'll have to wait until I've got a free Sunday to sit down with this. Awesome of you to link us up. And thanks for the kind words about the blog! :)
  • I really wish I had known better at 18. I went to college just like everyone said I should and I majored in a degree that could get me a great job and a lot of money one day! Now I sit in a cube and plan my escape. My 6+ years spent in college learning how to be an engineer were wasted because it's not even close to being something I enjoy. I got a degree because that is "what you do". I hope there are some youngin's reading your post and that it opens their minds to all the possibilities.
  • TMFproject
    Ahhhh, Adrienne. Yes. I have a friend who is an engineer--makes a zillion and seven dollars, but truly despises being in the office all day doing what he is. And while it's certainly nice to be financially comfortable, I can imagine that the discomfort that's experienced for 8-12 hours per day must supersede. One life....really, that's all we've got! I can totally sympathize, from hearing his stories.
  • Great post Ashley, and wonderful comments from everyone else.

    I like the Gatto resource that was pointed out. If you read more of his stuff, he talks about how our public education system was originally based off the Prussian system in order to create the human labor that you described. There were certain schools like Andover and Exeter that were created in order to teach and create the leaders that would eventually lead the workers that came from public schools.
  • TMFproject
    Fascinating!!! I'm on it. Thanks for suggesting, and for taking the time to comment! (These guys really did provide some awesome comments on this post, didn't they?) Rock on!
  • katiekasz
    Oookay, quick thought, hopefully I'll have time to post again later tonight, but I must go paint my nails and do my hair for this fabulous Irish wedding tomorrow...jealous? you should be! ;-) (insert evil laughter...)

    as I read this post, one thought came to mind...

    we grow up under the rule of teachers...who are told...by the government's requirements for knowledge and standardized testing...what to teach and how to make us think...

    and to encourage us to go to college...

    but essentially, **hasn't the higher education system itself become a source of capitalism** and revenue for government and college 'funding' (government supplied) agencies?

    ...take it a step further...

    where we are taught that corporate america is the way to live our lives, in a 9-5 (or 6 or 7 or 8 dare I say 9)...where we fall under the rule of those that are considered to be above us because they have invested more time (and money) in education (can I borrow your angel choir here?!)...being taught how and what to think so that they can impart their knowledge and leadership skills upon us, the minions below them...

    looks like a vicious cycle....

    and hey, wanted to tell you, yeah, you do come up with lots of (great, thought-promoting) rhetorical questions...rock on, girl!! :-)
  • TMFproject
    As always, such thought-provoking, intelligent, well-written comments on your part, Katie! Thank you! You know, I think your point is parallel to the one that Andrew also made in the comments, and not something I had even considered when writing this post. However, you couldn't be more right. That's an excellent point to ponder, and how that entire thing plays out. It's actually really disturbing to think of it in that light, but it's true: Education is a Business.

    That said....Irish wedding? Am I invited? :p
  • Yikes! How can I just receive the subscription and be SO late to the party? Wah.

    Okay, Good on you for tackling one of the great ivory towers. here's my take:

    The institutions of higher learning in this country are overall institutions of indoctrination. Consumerism? Hell yes. $750 for a semester's worth of textbooks? Please. What to think is exactly what is taught. And does it matter that someone has a degree? Well, to obtain proper rat race status it might - if that is what someone wants. How about promoting active critical thinking to open the minds a bit and see if in fact the rat race goal is truly desirable?

    Rubriks and other "color within the lines" criteria are firmly ensconced within the system. The probelm in my opinion ius insurmountable. We are stuck with it for the foreseeable future. Until I can get a Phd in Jimmy Buffett Philosophy, I'm staying away from the damned things.

    So there.

    George
  • TMFproject
    Ahhhh! I'm going nuts over your statement that I so wish I would've said: "How about promoting active critical thinking to open the minds a bit and see if in fact the rat race goal is truly desirable?" That's precisely one of the things I wanted to get at, but wasn't communicating. There are so many expectations and assumptions that our lives are based on, it really becomes rather meaningless in the end. Everyone's doing the same thing. And they don't even know why, nor recognize that that's an issue in itself. Awesome comment, George. (As always.) P.S. Let me know about that Jimmy Buffet Phd. I'm always up for a trip to Margaritaville!
  • I am going to send you hate mail. Then me and my Ninja buddies are going to be waiting for you. Because that's what Ninja's do, we wait.

    Actually, Ninja's love the truth, and I thought your article was freaking killer. But enough with the suck up. Seriously, I don't think it's just the education system that is putting this into people, it's all around us, TV, Movies, Books, Radio. I've listened to a number of prominent black men speak about how their entire community that fought so hard to have the same education is being brought down by the culture of hip-hop.

    People today are truly getting dumber and dumber. Look at how poorly most american's communicate. Most can't form proper sentences or think independently from the heard mentality.

    I love history and it's very interesting the over whelming number of parallelisms that can be drawn between the US and Rome. As Rome began to fall apart so did the way people communicated with each other. The dialect began to fracture, and it's population's education decreased. It's a lot more than just being stretched to far and to thin and not being able to handle the barbarian invaders.

    But I'll digress, I probably lost half of you by now.

    I agree, I just think it's permutated our culture and not just the education system.
  • TMFproject
    I'm in agreement with you 100%, and if I didn't make it clear, what I meant to say was that the education system is being built around our culture--which is largely based on consumerism, materialism and financial gains--and is constructed to cater to those goals......NOT the goals of truly educating our people for education's sake. There's a hidden agenda that comes from the tippy tippy top. And it's freaking scary. Everything is determined by profit.
  • "We're taught what to think, not how to think".

    Therein lies the problem. The education model we experience today (K-12, higher ed, or otherwise) was built on top an old process of producing two things: workers, and more academics.

    If we're willing to put aside the "more academics" part and focus on the "workers" part of the product of education, we need to consider what's changed. Quite simply, the workplace and the expectations it has.

    Rather than go down the road of "I paid six figures for a college education and now I can't get a job, FUCK YOU America" that many young professionals are doing right now, there's a huge, huge, HUGE missed opportunity that the educational system overlooks: mentorship, guided learning, and learning skills.

    When the industries with the highest demand were focused primarily on manufacturing, someone who came out of school not only had basic skills, but had the proficiency to learn some more basic skills in order to accomplish a task. Manufacturing and the industrial workplace provided a very specific, guided ladder to continue learning skills, leading to promotions, opportunities, better pay, hours, so on and so forth.

    Times be-a changing.

    Now, with another industrial shift fully swinging away from manufacturing (sorry Detroit) and towards knowledge work (the primary focus of your piece above), the ability to just learn new tasks isn't enough. You're expected to synthesize new, unmarked tasks.

    You're expected to create, not just produce.

    If you can't create, you're going to have to try a LOT harder to get a great job. And that leaves out the increased likelihood that you'll work for yourself, start a company, be a great leader of your industry or workforce, and more.

    And speaking of great leadership, mentorship seems to have been lost almost everywhere with the exception of artisans, and craftsmen (craftspeople, for the gender sensitive). And even there, art schools are stacking students high with skills, and until the last minute, very little REAL WORLD practicum.

    Take a look at this video from IgnitePhilly, where University of the Arts Sean Buffington eloquently explains how as a university administrator he KNOWS that things are fucked up, and even how, but doesn't know to go about making steps in any new direction.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQqRjFQBBTg

    From IgnitePhilly2 (4 months later), Chris Lehmann of the Science Leadership Acadamy talks about how schools need to stop being run like businesses, find new metrics for success, and a general lack of responsibility and accountability in the system despite the quality of the educators. Science Leadership Acadamy is an empowerment-based educational system, experimentally created in partnership with The Franklin Institute. One of my favorite points he makes is: you can't learn when you feel the subject is more important than you are.

    "What happens when school is real life, and not just preparation for real life". Chris is just damned brilliant, and imminently quotable.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q08jz7xEp00

    I can talk for hours on this topic, being a college dropout because I saw how the system around me was failing. My business partner is also a former full time faculty member at the University of the Arts who, self stated, quit largely because he was tired of being "part of the problem". Now he's able to go back and work with the university on his own terms, in his own ways, as an adjunct, and has prototyped some AMAZING ways to educate, not the least of which was finding a way for his entire design and development company co-instruct an industrial design class with full multimedia and social media integration, followed on their blog, http://window.punkave.com/category/ides-322/

    Way to get me fired up, new friend.
  • TMFproject
    Alex--

    I want to thank you so much for taking the time to share all of this info. I was deliberately holding off in responding here, so I could be sure I had sufficient time to properly sit down and watch the video links you recommended. For anyone following along in the convo, if you only have time for one, definitely check out the second one. That guy is contagious! And his points are so, so relevant. Here's what stood out at me most:

    1. It's not about creating a workforce, it's about creating a citizenry.

    2. School should be real life; not preparation for real life.

    3. In the age of Google, homework and testing at home as a gauge is obsolete.

    4. We need to invite the world to our schools, specifically by leveraging technology.

    5. The things we need to be doing are dare kids to research, collaborate, create, present and network.


    I couldn't agree more with your analysis, in that knowledge in itself is no longer desirable, but the combination of knowledge and creativity and applicability is. Creation. Fantastic point.

    Awesome contribution to the convo, Alex. Thanks again so much for the resources!

    P.S. That's what new friends do!
  • There are many reasons why people are doing more home-schooling these days, among other ways of living. Education is important, but like other "institutions" like it, they are designed to put us to use, our personal benefits are only secondary. But the way we have such unprecedented access to information and communication today will serve only to make those old models obsolete. They already are, in the world of a lot of people.

    I'm trying to think of which video it was I saw recently with Seth Godin talking about Linchpin that he said much of what you said in this post. (Nevermind, I found it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea5IgyVd3_U on YouTube). You're in good company.
  • TMFproject
    No kidding! Going to check it out now. People seem to be taking this as if it's just my opinion; it's not. There's a whole discipline dedicated to this called Critical Pedagogy--showing students (usually in higher ed) how the system really is.
  • Ash,

    Excellent post, couldn't agree with you more. To the fella comparing it to "kooky conspiracy theories," there is nothing kooky about criticizing the education system when you see the products that it by and large produces. Anyhow, I leave you with the wonderful department in every company that sums all of this up: Human Resources :o)
  • TMFproject
    Excellent comment. Thank you!
  • I always had the feeling this was true, and now that I read this post I am even more convinced. Once you understand how the profit system works and look at history you begin to notice the profit monster in all aspects of life and it sucks.

    It almost makes me want to go back to being ignorant again. lol
  • TMFproject
    It is kind of bizarre, isn't it? I remember exiting college and feeling so hopelessly optimistic about the world's intentions. I still do, because there are so many great people out there, but with a more discerning eye than I used to. I've now seen that many people have ulterior motives. Profit is usually what it boils down to.
  • LuckyBiker
    I do think the education system as it exists here in the U.S. was created to provide fodder for a post-industrial-revolution workforce.

    Sit in one place all day (maybe move a little, but not much)
    Work hard for someone else for no personal reward (but enjoy personal satisfaction! Right? Right?)
    The nail that sticks out gets hammered down
    Questioning authority figures results in punishment

    Here's your diploma! Now all you indoctrinated little troopers get out there and make someone else rich!
  • TMFproject
    I know it seems conspiracy theory-ish to a lot of people, but this is a reality that we need to contemplate. Teachers themselves don't recognize this, and it's not intentional, I don't think, but it's a product of the system at hand, and the way we operate things. Teachers, by default, are taking a political stance..without even realizing it.
  • Here is a little tip for you guys I learned while delivering pizzas to high schools. I realized that most of the food that they serve has been replaced by fast food. I remember much different foods when I went to school. If corporations didn't have their fingers in the pie then, they certainly do now.
  • LuckyBiker
    Several people have tackled this issue before. One that resonated with me was Steve Olson over here: http://steve-olson.com/how-the-public-school-sy...
  • It's true it's true it's true!

    Perpetuating the status quo is important for many people, because honestly that's all many people want for themselves. Basic level. Buy the TV. Eat the nachos (mmm). White picket fence. Once you pay off the loan on the house and can afford the fence, anyway...

    But that's not for me, and I doubt it's for most of your readers, either. What's the solution? I don't think we have a good, standardized one yet. All we can do is each run around and see what path we can individually find and share that information with others, sprinkling crumbs along the path so that others can follow (or something like that).
  • The solution is to have everyone understand what she understands.
  • TMFproject
    That's an interesting thought--I don't even think that many people are conscious of the fact that they are perpetuating the status quo, but probably just know that they feel uncomfortable doing anything but. And you're right--that is what most people want. Comfort. Andddd don't get me wrong--I love (love) curling up in my big, oversized men's sweatpants and hanging out by the fire, but there reaches a point when comfort equals stagnant....and that's what I can't deal with. Stagnant for me makes me feel yucky.
  • I'm a little back and forth on this one, Ash. (And awkwardly sitting in the corner with A-Mac). I'm super pro-education.

    Without education the people (hey, that's us - human capital) are COMPLETELY without a voice. The uneducated are far more the pawns in an economy, they are the mindless labor.

    With education, assuming you took more out of school than top marks (because the system is screwy, not necessarily the product), you don't have to be flipping burgers (unless you're into that). That's not to say that without a degree you can't move up in the world. But let's separate education for a minute from the educational system in the US. I think your argument is with the latter. And to that I would argue you had crappy teachers. But then I would say if you came out of the system writing this article, clearly you developed the ability to think critically somewhere...

    There's a lot of truth in what you're writing about the US structuring our educational system around competing in a global economy, but we also don't have to be reminded daily that we have freedom of thought. You can write this article up here without the fear of being jailed for talking against the government. So yeah, our government doesn't have to say that we're also focusing on improving our educational opportunities to improve our personal well-being; that we're working towards personal autonomy through knowledge.

    Someone brought up the price of education, and I think there is a VERY valid point in the capitalist argument you have here in regards to that. Because today. Right now. Education is free (monitarily, it requires an awful lot of motivation and will power). Degrees and status are not. And unfortunately (or fortunately, I don't stand strongly on one side of this or the other), degrees are required for a number of professions.

    Is that a money market? Maybe. Sometimes. Probably. I've had to get formal certification or licensing for a number of jobs I've had that have been a major joke (a very expensive one). And with that I stand right with you on this. And to anyone in LA: the massage therapy licensing procedure IS A BUSINESS (and mostly just an $800 STD test).

    I also went through the private school system and had an insane mother who headed the PTA at every school and fought (hard) to get me into the classes with the most passionate teachers. I get that I was damn lucky and every day I think about what a wonderful thing it is that I had that opportunity so that I could have all the opportunities I have now. I don't want to be a cog in the economy anymore than I want to be a cog in the 9-5 machine. And guess what? I don't have to. Because I'm educated. Because I know that if I don't know it now, I know how to learn it.

    I learned more than facts in school (please don't even ask me what facts I learned, I can't remember most of them), but I learned how to acquire facts/skills/knowledge when I need them. Which leads me to my final point: Education doesn't just teach you what it wants you to know, it teaches you how to learn from any source. And in reality, that's a HUGE liability for our society and economy. How can we possibly maintain the status quo and keep people in their pre-determined roles in life if bloggers like you can go to the library or hop on the internet and learn ANYTHING (because the system taught you how to do that in first grade).

    Also, I was in AP History (suck it!)
  • TMFproject
    I don't even know where to begin.

    "Without education the people (hey, that's us - human capital) are COMPLETELY without a voice. The uneducated are far more the pawns in an economy, they are the mindless labor."

    1. What's worse--being mindless labor or educated labor? It seems the same to me, if not worse, because even though you know better, you're doing it anyway. 2. If people without education are without a voice, that just serves as further proof that the system is rigged. 3. Or, on the other hand, if it's the case that the argument that you're making is that people without knowledge are without a voice, then that's something I agree with. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they need an education--what they need is more knowledge. Except for the fact that society rewards those with formal education--even though it might mean less than someone who has actually studied on their own--which still plays into the entire scheme at hand. It's about dividing people into classes so we can benefit from the division. We need the math engineers to produce ideas and play into that part of the economy, but we also need people who are in a position of lower socioeconomic status so they're willing to work as cheap labor....because that's what capitalism is based on! We need a conflict of class, or it doesn't work. So we perpetuate it ON PURPOSE. For money. Because that's what's important to us here. Furthermore, it's actually in our best interest to prevent those in third world countries from becoming too educated, because we need their even cheaper labor to support our profit motives. That's a fact. And that's also why our economy actually depends greatly on immigrants--even though we bitch and moan about them. We exploit the shit out of them. And you can't say that we don't. We do that for a reason. So we can become rich assholes. I'm sure there's many people who don't see anything wrong with that and are going to make the idiotic comment that there's nothing wrong with wanting to get ahead, but that's the same perspective that our entire education system is based on in the first place, and what I'm arguing against.

    Lastly, I love you but I don't agree that you learn to think critically in school, and if you did, it was because you're of superior intelligence. The rest of the herd is being socialized into, as Brian put it, a docile workforce, learning to take orders. Please (please) go click on the link that Brian provided in the comments. It is awesome.

    Maybe I am testy this morning because it's day 4 without any wine. :p Thanks to you!
  • Brian W.
    Kristin, you shouldn't have told her to stop drinking.

    I think we actually posted at nearly the same instant, which I find amusing, given how opposed our comments were. But I like yours - if only for providing a perspective that doesn't imply that we're headed toward A Brave New World within the next couple of generations.

    I'd love if the education system worked the way you say for the many rather than the few, and I think it could, but I maintain that people of the type that read blogs like these are write thoughtful comments are the exception of the current US education system rather than the rule. There are random teachers that really care about fostering critical thinking and such - I had several as I made my way towards college. Unfortunately, I think a whole lot more either never had it in them in the first place, lost it after a couple years of dealing with the bureaucracy, or lost it because they didn't have the limitless energy required to engage and enlighten 100+ minds every day. Even then, the great ones still have to deal with the handcuffs of standardized testing, enforced curricula, already-distrustful students, helicopter parents that buy into the money-is-everything system, etc.

    On the other hand, Ashley, I think you might be getting a little too fired up here. I don't think we really perpetuate these evils of socialization (as we see them) *on purpose,* even if the original architects of compulsory education intended it that way. It's more that a system is now established that takes well-meaning drones as input and produces well-meaning drones as output. I'm less, "it's an evil plot" than I am, "Everyone's asleep and needs woken up."

    Meanwhile, money isn't a bad thing. It's casting aside everything else in the quest for it that leads to problems.

    Here's to a world where everyone get's an education like Kristin's.
  • TMFproject
    I'm going to let this convo keep going organically instead of chiming my two cents in at every opportunity, but I will say here that I don't think that we do this on purpose, not at all. I think perhaps the elite have their own agendas and those agendas are on purpose, but I don't think that someone is secretly plotting in a space station up above somewhere. That said, if that is the case, and there aren't big, evil, secret plots (there still might be), then it would seem to imply that it would be easier to make positive changes, no? Somehow, though, because of the nature of systems and bureaucracy in general, I have a feeling it'll be a real long process.
  • Agreed. But in general I think more people should be like me :P

    Seriously though, I am certainly not arguing that our system is great. Even my education has holes and there were weaknesses in the whole process and a whole slew of teachers that valued academic regurgitation, I just cling to the few that taught me something.

    And as I mentioned, good teachers are undervalued, unsupported and definitely inadequately rewarded. But, like you Brian, I think this is more a need for a wake-up call and less a ring the sirens we're throwing the American youth down the shit hole.
  • Brian W.
    Ah! Apostrophe fail! I'm meltiiiinnngggggg.........
  • 1. Mindless labor is worse. With an education I can choose my labor and my labor can serve me rather than someone else (true capitalism?)

    2. They aren't without a voice because the system doesn't let them speak. They are without a voice because they lack the knowledge to make any arguments, let alone back them up.

    3. See above. We agree. We're just using different definitions.

    4. You didn't number this one: "Furthermore, it's actually in our best interest to prevent those in third world countries from becoming too educated, because we need their even cheaper labor to support our profit motives." I'm not arguing against this point and I'm not arguing that it's right or wrong to do this. Most immigrants are totally exploited because the skills they come to our country with are not valued very highly in our economy. Agreed.

    Lastly, as mentioned above, I didn't go through the public school system and my experience with education has not been the average American's. I was challenged to think critically from a very early age because of the teachers I had. I totally get that this is not normal. But that the quality of education you get is based far more on who is teaching than on the system in general. But I agree that the system does not adequately support the recruitment and rewarding of good teachers, which is effed up.

    Woot Day 4! Going strong!
  • Brian W.
    Love this post. I'm totally with you, except that I think education (K-12 in particular) is often *more* nefarious than you're giving it credit for.

    Here's a guy I linked to once before. Again, he goes a bit overboard, but I think most of his points remain valid: http://www.cantrip.org/gatto.html. The six lessons you're taught in school:

    Stay in the class where you belong.
    Turn on and off like a light switch.
    Surrender your will to a predestined chain of command.
    I [the teacher] determine what curriculum you will study.
    I [the teacher] teach that your self-respect should depend on an observer's measure of your worth.
    [You] are being watched.

    It all adds up to a capable, docile workforce whose life goals are aligned with the steady growth of that economy thing you were talking about. In addition to getting us lots of engineers, it subtly prepares the "weaker students" for placement into the lower levels of the class structure as fast food clerks and janitors.
  • TMFproject
    That is an amazing article, and I would encourage anyone who reads this post and is interested in reading more, to go check that out. Thank you so much, Brian, for linking us up, and for adding such valuable insight to the conversation. And you hit the nail on the head with your last statement, as well--something that I thought to include, but was afraid the post was getting too much like a thesis, but I'm so glad you included it here. It needs to be said. ;) Social classes are perpetuated in the process.
  • jonathanhyland
    My best friend is a kindergarten teacher, and this post hits on so many points he shared with me throughout his education.You summed it up greatly when you said "we are taught what to think, not how to think." It's the consequence of an education system where "success" is measured by tests and exams; teachers are forced to teach to exam content more than the ideas or essence of a topic.

    So I think in re-defining education, we need to re-define what it means for a student to be successful. Thanks for sharing, Ash!
  • TMFproject
    Oh yes, there's a whole host of issues with NCLB (No Child Left Behind) and the standardized testing measures that were implemented. I've got my master's degree in Teaching English as a Second Language, and this is something that's constantly discussed. Teachers in K-12 settings are spending the majority of their time preparing students to take these tests, rather than preparing students with meaningful, real knowledge. Furthermore, there's a real conflict of interest in some school districts, where teachers' salaries are tied to the scores of their students, and I do believe that all districts' funding is tied to student scores. Yikes.
  • Just when I thought I'd read a blog post about every topic imaginable you surprise me with this. I have never thought of education in this regard before. I always knew I had a problem with the system, but could never really pinpoint what it was. Aside from the whole human capital thing (which is true), my problem lies in the fact that we don't teach how to how to think, but what to think, as you said. Being a proud college dropout, I will always remember one class I took that was really great and different. It was a marketing class. Instead of giving stupid vocabulary tests on a bunch of stuff that was memorized temporarily and then forgotten and never applied, we walked in the first day, got a project for the entire semester, and the teacher said "Go." We were told to create a product, analyze the market, figure out how to make it cheaply, how to distribute it, create a marketing plan for it, etc. It was the most beneficial class I've ever taken. THAT is what education needs to be like. Great post, yo.
  • TMFproject
    Yeah man--there's a whole discipline related to this called Critical Pedagogy. Check it out! As far as the marketing project goes...I agree. That was probably actually really useful to you, in terms of learning. And in line with the point I make above, it's also really useful to society's bottom line, if you know what I mean. Higher ed is a bit of a different breed, though--I'm going to have to put more thought into this. Rock on, Nate dawg!
  • Oh...one more thing! I took AP History in high school and it was by far my favorite class :)
  • TMFproject
    That's good to hear! I knew they existed, but I don't think it's common. If there's anyone out there who knows differently, feel free to chime in.
  • I think formal education is good because it gives us the foundation for critical thinking (although, I'd argue that we think too much, but that's another topic). Having said that, the system definitely needs to be tweaked as does the way we do work. We can bash organizations and corporate life all we want (by the way, I'm not implying that's what you're doing at all), but I still don't think there's anything wrong with working for a company if you are doing something that matches your natural strengths and you feel you are adding value. Sadly, this is not the case with most people, which is why the majority of Americans are not happy in their jobs. This video (thanks to Andrew for sharing) lays out a good outline of what we need to focus on more.

    http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pink_on_motivation...

    Granted, this presentation talks more to the structure of organizations, how they reward people and what really motivates people.....however, I think the speech has some insight into how we should think about education as a whole. I mentioned this in an article I wrote awhile back. Why aren't we focusing more on people's natural talents? Instead of looking at a report card and giving a pat on a back for an A and then trying to 'fix' the C and what is wrong with that, why don't we try to focus more on what the individual naturally excels at?
  • TMFproject
    Great comment, Nate. Thanks for sharing that info & the video. And you raise a really solid point at the end here---why *aren't* we focusing more on people's natural talents? That's the point. It's not about what would benefit us as individuals; it's about what benefits the profit motives of the country. And that's guided under a certain curriculum--the one we have. Curriculum is a political text and simply is not constructed from a set of neutral ideas. They're politically driven. Know what I mean?
  • While I think that college is a huge waste of time for 75% of people, there are some gross exaggerations and maybe even some kooky conspiracy theories contained in the article above.

    Life, including your education or lack thereof, is yours to live. If you feel like a pawn, that is self imposed.
  • TMFproject
    Yeah, I think I should have definitely specified I was largely referring to K-12 education. However, feeling like a pawn isn't a matter of opinion, dawg, this is a reality. K-12 education is mandatory in the U.S. That's not mine to decide.
  • We all need certain tools to survive. A basic education is pretty necessary on a daily basis. Otherwise you couldn't have written this post, and I couldn't have balanced my checkbook. You can feel like you were a pawn all you want, that is not mine to decide.

    Just like with anything else in life, you can chose to enable negative feelings or not. I took what was given to me, and now I am running with it. Maybe I can kick a couple of pawns outta my way today.
  • TMFproject
    Agreed--the issue isn't whether or not *knowledge* is necessary, the issue is how we are transmitting that knowledge--and what knowledge gets transmitted. I'm not enabling negative feelings--I'm being proactive and writing about things that matter. Some may choose to ignore the reality, but I'd prefer to analyze it for what it is, and more clearly define how I can position myself around it.
  • Let's not forget the massive amount of capital that ends up funneled back to the banking industry by student loans. I won't even get into the control implications in debt burdening.

    That said... I learned a lot about critical thinking in college. Education had a big part in undoing my myopic upbringing. In fact, the specialization I've learned has mostly been at the public library and can be directly attributed do the skills I got at (a) University. Then again, that discounts the hefty chunk of specialization I learned in college that I simply rejected.

    Education is a crazy topic. I'm ridiculously pro-education, but the system is inefficient and its value is rather unpredictable. Given the high cost... It's a risky investment.
  • Brian W.
    I love what's going on subliminally in this icon. After seeing it a dozen times, it's an inescapable fact that Andrew rules.
  • TMFproject
    Wow, your first comment should be highlighted here. That's a great addition--thank you for mentioning that.

    I probably should have specified that I was referring mostly to the K-12 ed system here. College is a bit of a different ballgame, agreed.

    And I, too, am pro-education, in the sense that I'm pro-knowledge. The issue is that I don't think they're the same, when they should be. Education isn't the equivalent of knowledge in general; it's the equivalent of funneled knowledge, and in that sense, is very limiting.
  • Jen
    I just love your posts ...no-one else I know can critique and shake things up so beautifully whilst also talking about nation wide orgasms! ha ha ... that really made me laugh! The world would probably be a lot happier! :) Great post and so true, I got a degree which I enjoyed although I agree I don't know how much ieducation is really about thinking for ourselves... luckily I didn't get in too much debt but it hasn't helped me really get anywhere I want to go ... I think I think too differently from the 'norm' probably (which I am pleased about!) Thanks Ash -- you rock (sending love not eggs! :)
  • TMFproject
    Sending love, not eggs! HA! I had to insert the orgasm comment--didn't want to make the post into a scholarly essay! I think higher ed is a bit different. I intended for this post to mainly focus on K-12 ed, although higher ed is probably parallel in many ways. I'll have to think about it. Thanks for your lovely comment, Jen!
  • Jackie
    I TOTALLY agree with this post but something else that I think you should have written about is the PRICE of education. Here I worked my butt off, borrowed thousands of dollars (naive teenager that I was), and now have no job...thank you US education system! I def played the part of a pawn & I'm glad someone had the ovaries to say it!
  • TMFproject
    That's a whole other post in itself. :) Although we are all involuntary pawns, because K-12 education is mandatory. There's not a whole lot of escaping. And while higher ed isn't mandatory by law, it's more and more mandatory by society. I've got a few student loans myself. :)
  • Ian
    It's like you plucked the words from my mind. Only far more eloquently than I would have put it.

    The only thing I truly learned from school was that the sheer amount of work I was able to not do and get away with was staggering. And it transfers wonderfully to the corporate world too.

    I think the only real skill I gained was social skills. If they had a diploma or degree in talking shit to strangers, I'd definitely get an A.
  • Kay
    I suppose getting away with talking to your peers in class and those few minutes between the bells ringing could be counted towards gaining some socialization skills.

    Kind of like when coworkers become peers and you might get away with some free time to talk to them. I don't know, I find that humans are natural social creatures. Schools aren't the platform. Human nature is.
  • TMFproject
    Yes, I do agree that the education system provides a nice platform for learning how to socialize, and I definitely benefited from that as well. (Although some might argue that in the same sense, the less fortunate become even more marginalized in that same setting, and hence social classes perpetuate themselves, along with a host of other related factors.)
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